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, the way fbi handled this last -- the last couple days we're being told the fbi just happened to wrap up the case the week before the election. it did the final interviews with david petraeus and paula broadwell. that last week. just a few days before the election and then they wrap up the case and tell james clapper. now, it turns out, the case wasn't quite wrapped up, they still had more additional work to do with the search on paula broadwell's house and they had this additional information about general allen that they felt compelled to alert the white house and the pentagon about so that raises the question why was it just that week of election day they first go to clapper and does it have anything to do with the phone call that eric cantor the house majority leader made to the fbi just a few days before? >> andrea -- if i could just add one point, talking to lawmakers on the hill saying yet again, they're learning about this through media reports and that is only fanning the flames of their frustration which they first started talking about at the end of last week should have be
, the way fbi handled this last -- the last couple days we're being told the fbi just happened to wrap up the case the week before the election. it did the final interviews with david petraeus and paula broadwell. that last week. just a few days before the election and then they wrap up the case and tell james clapper. now, it turns out, the case wasn't quite wrapped up, they still had more additional work to do with the search on paula broadwell's house and they had this additional information...
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you have a situation where the fbi, let's start with the fbi. they going into ms. broadwell, what's her name again? >> paula broadwell's. >> paula broadwell's house and taking out boxes of stuff. now there san accusation that she may have had national security stuff in there? what's that all about. >> remember, she a reservist with military intelligence. she lt. colonel. it's not clear whether she was activated. but she did have a clearance at one point. so, supposedly, she took classified documents. she took them from government facilities but she wasn't allowed to have them in her house. so they are looking at whether or not national security breaches. david petraeus was not responsible for giving her those documents. kelley and petraeus at this point is just a personal matter an embarrassing personal matter, that's all. no other national security implications. >> between broadwell, yeah. between paula broadwell and david petraeus, it's an affair, there are questions whether she could be charged under the uniform code of military justice if she was activated in h
you have a situation where the fbi, let's start with the fbi. they going into ms. broadwell, what's her name again? >> paula broadwell's. >> paula broadwell's house and taking out boxes of stuff. now there san accusation that she may have had national security stuff in there? what's that all about. >> remember, she a reservist with military intelligence. she lt. colonel. it's not clear whether she was activated. but she did have a clearance at one point. so, supposedly, she...
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the fbi thought that he would be immediately asked to resign. that's what would normally happen with a government employee, but, in fact, the white house said no, we want to wait until after the election. so agents were furious. i've been given insight to the actual agents that were doing the case, and they think it's inexcusable that this was allowed to continue for months without firing him. >> let me just jump in there, ronald. obviously, this is all your independent claims and reporting. we've been unable to corroborate this in the time scale we've had tonight but you do have very good fbi sources. i want to turn to bob baer. he's the cnn contributor. does this make sense to you that this could be the sequence of events? >> oh, absolutely, but i tend to attribute more significance to the fbi of getting into petraeus' e-mails. the fbi, as a matter of course, doesn't look at affairs, doesn't read military officers' e-mails or cia officers. they have to be alerted to some sort of crime or counterintelligence problem. i can only speculate what t
the fbi thought that he would be immediately asked to resign. that's what would normally happen with a government employee, but, in fact, the white house said no, we want to wait until after the election. so agents were furious. i've been given insight to the actual agents that were doing the case, and they think it's inexcusable that this was allowed to continue for months without firing him. >> let me just jump in there, ronald. obviously, this is all your independent claims and...
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he had a contact in the fbi who raised this concern to him. he passed it along to the chief of staff of eric cantor's office who then was put in touch with the fbi. knowing how things work in cantor's office, it -- they run by the letter of the law to a "t," so i'm sure everything was done with heavy legal counsel and guidance. >> something like this, jim, you know the way the senate intelligence committee folks work particularly on both sides of this. finding out that an fbi agent -- we're calling this person a whistleblower, is that a fair description? >> i'm not quite sure i'm convinced i know what to describe this person as. i've listened to previous reports on msnbc. there are all sorts of rumors swirling around. i'm just not sure if that's the case or not. but i think there is a fair case to be made and has been by senator feinstein that she should have been given a heads up earlier than she was. no doubt about it. she has an amazing ability to keep things secret. >> fair enough. i want to go to fiscal cliff. i think there are two questi
he had a contact in the fbi who raised this concern to him. he passed it along to the chief of staff of eric cantor's office who then was put in touch with the fbi. knowing how things work in cantor's office, it -- they run by the letter of the law to a "t," so i'm sure everything was done with heavy legal counsel and guidance. >> something like this, jim, you know the way the senate intelligence committee folks work particularly on both sides of this. finding out that an fbi...
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to the fbi she communicates with a friend who she meets at a fbi commune a event. hey do you remember me, we were in touch can you look at somebody to look at this. he brings her to the cyber squd and they say where is this going to lead not knowing it was going of going to lead to the general's and so on. that's who jill kelly in the context of this case. who she is in the larger world is a tampa socialite married to a prominent although much lower profile and quiet radiologist from the moffett cancer center who was in the military community. she was on the social roster, she was on the socom that's special operations command social roster. she jumped with the parajumpers in a tan done jump. she attended the admiral's parties and affairs and so on. that's who she is in that context. >> rose: so she went to the cyber whatever the name was and then they began to look at her e-mails and who she received e-mails from and from that they found e-mails having to do with general john allen. >> right one of the ways you do a case, all right let's see who is sending the har
to the fbi she communicates with a friend who she meets at a fbi commune a event. hey do you remember me, we were in touch can you look at somebody to look at this. he brings her to the cyber squd and they say where is this going to lead not knowing it was going of going to lead to the general's and so on. that's who jill kelly in the context of this case. who she is in the larger world is a tampa socialite married to a prominent although much lower profile and quiet radiologist from the...
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i mean, do you call the fbi if you get a creepy e e-mail? if i called the fbi every time, they would need to set up a bureau here at 30 rock. here's another question. in spite of the conspiracy theories this was designed to undercut general petraeus before he testified on thursday about benghazi, this was a democratic plot to protect the president from hard questions and now even after the election. in light of those conspiracy theories which are being portrayed as fact on the right, how are we supposed to make light of the fact that two republican congressmen were apparently read in on this investigation by the fbi ahead of the white house and ahead of it going through more official channels. if this weren't the krerkt director of the cia this would not be an important story at all. but because each new detail takes the story in a new direction and every civilian involved in the case has hired high profile lawyers and because there's so many unanswered questions, this story rivals anything else going on in the country right now. the report
i mean, do you call the fbi if you get a creepy e e-mail? if i called the fbi every time, they would need to set up a bureau here at 30 rock. here's another question. in spite of the conspiracy theories this was designed to undercut general petraeus before he testified on thursday about benghazi, this was a democratic plot to protect the president from hard questions and now even after the election. in light of those conspiracy theories which are being portrayed as fact on the right, how are we...
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when you have those two things, that's the fbi's real role. in terms of the cia, they wouldn't have taken an investigatory look. i think they're going to have to deal with the shock of it all. >> paula introduced herself to david petraeus. she was a paratrooper, attractive, in great shape. petraeus has always be attracted to intellectual officers. she was writing a book. they used to in afghanistan, they would go on five-mile jogs together, but he goes out on file mile jogs with a lot of reporters who are capable, but it's a very strange and completely surprising. >> it is and i'll leave it with this, that paula broadwell just published this week, general david petraeus' rules for living. we all make mistake, learn from them, drive on and avoid making them again. next, we have more on the resignation. peter king, the chair of the homeland security committee with how it could put the u.s. at risk. plus, after spending millions to elect mitt romney, has karl rove lost his touch? a look at all the money spent and wasted this election and it has b
when you have those two things, that's the fbi's real role. in terms of the cia, they wouldn't have taken an investigatory look. i think they're going to have to deal with the shock of it all. >> paula introduced herself to david petraeus. she was a paratrooper, attractive, in great shape. petraeus has always be attracted to intellectual officers. she was writing a book. they used to in afghanistan, they would go on five-mile jogs together, but he goes out on file mile jogs with a lot of...
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why would the fbi be involved in this anyway? >> the fbi is supposed to investigate predicated federal crimes. and they don't know when they start an investigation precisely whether the evidence ultimately will show there was a crime. i don't know what they were told initially by this woman, or what they were told by anybody who was friendly with her who had the ear of somebody at the bureau. but with great respect, that's one of those subsidiary questions. it's an interesting if not then would this all have happened. that's sort of the cleopatra's nose theory. if she had an ugly nose, would history have been different. that's an interesting question to discuss but i don't think it's a fundamental one. >> this revelation that apparently the investigation was concluded four days before the election clearly somebody has decided, whoever that may be and i'm sure we'll find out in the forms of time, that the information should not be passed to the white house, although i share your concern about the white house's blanket denial they
why would the fbi be involved in this anyway? >> the fbi is supposed to investigate predicated federal crimes. and they don't know when they start an investigation precisely whether the evidence ultimately will show there was a crime. i don't know what they were told initially by this woman, or what they were told by anybody who was friendly with her who had the ear of somebody at the bureau. but with great respect, that's one of those subsidiary questions. it's an interesting if not then...
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what about all of that time while the fbi was looking into it? and maybe they had suspected there was a national security risk. why weren't we, the people who were supposed to have oversight in the intelligence community informed of that possibility? >> so many questions. more than answers and when you hear the word criminal, dana, of course, that gets a lot of people going. dana bash on capitol hill for us. dana, thank you very much. >>> many of the fbi protocols on reporting criminal investigations to the white house and others actually stem way back to the watergate scandal. an investigation back then uncovered abuses and mistakes and the justice department has since made changes. i have a cold... i took dayquil, but i still have a runny nose. [ male announcer ] dayquil doesn't treat that. huh? [ male announcer ] alka-seltzer plus rushes relief to all your worst cold symptoms, plus it relieves your runny nose. [ sighs ] thank you! [ male announcer ] you're welcome. that's the cold truth! reminds me of our network before cdw virtualized it. how
what about all of that time while the fbi was looking into it? and maybe they had suspected there was a national security risk. why weren't we, the people who were supposed to have oversight in the intelligence community informed of that possibility? >> so many questions. more than answers and when you hear the word criminal, dana, of course, that gets a lot of people going. dana bash on capitol hill for us. dana, thank you very much. >>> many of the fbi protocols on reporting...
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fbi failure. the fbi investigated the petraeus affair beginning with fears the cia's director's e-mail had been hacked at the beginning of the summer. yet lawmakers and the president were not told about it for six months, until after the election. under growing pressure and criticism, the fbi will be testifying on its role in the scandal. they'll go behind closed doors with members of the house intelligence committee demanding to who knew what and when they knew it. suzanne kelly. what are lawmakers going to find out? >> well, they're going to have some meetings tomorrow on the hill that are going to come before hearings open thursday. and michael morel, acting direct tore of the cia and sean joyce will be involved in these meetings. they'll be asked a lot of questions about what they knew about the petraeus investigation, when they knew it, and why they didn't come forward. a couple things at play here, erin. one is, keep in mind, the fbi itself has said very little about this case so far. public
fbi failure. the fbi investigated the petraeus affair beginning with fears the cia's director's e-mail had been hacked at the beginning of the summer. yet lawmakers and the president were not told about it for six months, until after the election. under growing pressure and criticism, the fbi will be testifying on its role in the scandal. they'll go behind closed doors with members of the house intelligence committee demanding to who knew what and when they knew it. suzanne kelly. what are...
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summer that fbi agents had uncovered the affair that led to petraeus' downfall. it all started in early june when a florida woman named jill kelley pictures here with her husband, petraeus, and his wife, alerted agents to e-mails she described as e-mails. they told kelley, a petraeus family friend, to stop socializing with generals. those anonymous e-mails led investigators to paula broadwell and evidence of the affair. now some lawmakers are asking why the fbi didn't inform them or the white house sooner. >> we received no advance notice. it was like a lightning bolt. this is something that could have had an effect on national skur security. i think we should have been told. >> it seems this was going on for several months, and yet now it appear that is they're saying that the fbi didn't realize until election day that general petraeus was involved. it just doesn't add up. >> adding to the headache and the controversy, petraeus was set to testify at a closed door hearing on the benghazi attack on thursday. with acting director michael morell now going in his pla
summer that fbi agents had uncovered the affair that led to petraeus' downfall. it all started in early june when a florida woman named jill kelley pictures here with her husband, petraeus, and his wife, alerted agents to e-mails she described as e-mails. they told kelley, a petraeus family friend, to stop socializing with generals. those anonymous e-mails led investigators to paula broadwell and evidence of the affair. now some lawmakers are asking why the fbi didn't inform them or the white...
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see, what the fbi -- the fbi got authority under the current foreign intelligence surveillance act to issue national security letters. they can do that inside the fbi without going to a u.s. attorney. my point is there may have been a predicate here, but it's not clear that there was. if the fbi is going to investigate every harassment case, because it's on the internet, they're going to be shut for business and not be able to do anything else, right? so you make judgments about when is there a predicate and is this a priority. that's not clear until you trace this for awhile and get to petraeus, and the question i'm raising is why, what was the predicate, why did they pursue it. >> once it gets to petraeus, tom, and i want your expertise here, what would happen? because i would imagine as soon as they realized david petraeus is involved, there must be a whole series of hoops they have to jump through or markers they have to hit. >> once they identified paula broadwell as the sender of the messages to kelley, then they subpoena the rest of her records and they see an exchange of anony
see, what the fbi -- the fbi got authority under the current foreign intelligence surveillance act to issue national security letters. they can do that inside the fbi without going to a u.s. attorney. my point is there may have been a predicate here, but it's not clear that there was. if the fbi is going to investigate every harassment case, because it's on the internet, they're going to be shut for business and not be able to do anything else, right? so you make judgments about when is there a...
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remember her fbi friend that started the investigation? turns out he was also the person who called house majority leader eric cantor and told him what he knew. one more character connecting petraeus and allen in this messy web, jill's twin sister natalie, just weeks ago both generals wrote letters in support of natalie in a custody battle over her four-year-old son. "the washington post" is now reporting according to advisers close to petraeus, petraeus only resigned after national intelligence director james clapper told him to do so. joining me now, spencer ackerman, senior writer for "wired" who writes for their national security blog, the danger room, and nbc's richard wolffe. richard, i don't know, i don't know much about waging war. i do know a little bit about living life. and these generals are writing absolutely crazy letters which i don't have time to read to a judge in a custody battle. >> right. >> a woman who has lost custody of her son, and in this country it is not easy for women to lose custody of children in these situati
remember her fbi friend that started the investigation? turns out he was also the person who called house majority leader eric cantor and told him what he knew. one more character connecting petraeus and allen in this messy web, jill's twin sister natalie, just weeks ago both generals wrote letters in support of natalie in a custody battle over her four-year-old son. "the washington post" is now reporting according to advisers close to petraeus, petraeus only resigned after national...
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was not passed to the head of the fbi for four days t took four days to find the head of the fbi, i don't know why, and the fbi is saying the reason why they can't get information promptly to the director is because hurricane sandy delayed the message. figure on that one. the fbi may be at her house tonight but they have been dragging their feet trying to move this. >> well, i think there's still a lot of questions that are to be answered as to the timeline, why certain things were done when. i think that's one of the big outstanding questions. but, you know, a lot of it gets back to the very beginning, which is the question i've heard a lot from folks of that just been reading our stories is why did the fbi start this investigation anyway? i get weird or annoying e-mails all the time and i don't run to the fbi and if i did i don't know that the fbi would do anything about it. that's another reason there's some i think gaps that need to be explained as to how this process began and where it ended up. >> of course, you have to go back to the fact there are four americans mured in the
was not passed to the head of the fbi for four days t took four days to find the head of the fbi, i don't know why, and the fbi is saying the reason why they can't get information promptly to the director is because hurricane sandy delayed the message. figure on that one. the fbi may be at her house tonight but they have been dragging their feet trying to move this. >> well, i think there's still a lot of questions that are to be answered as to the timeline, why certain things were done...
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bob barrows also joins us and bob, let me ask you about this fbi investigation. it began in the early summer. the president was only informed after the election. his director of national intelligence informed at 5:00 on election day. congressional leaders were informed even after the resignation. defense secretary leon panetta was asked today whether capitol hill should have been notified sooner and said, i want to quote, that's another issue we ought to look at because as former director of the cia and having worked closely with the intelligence committees, you know, i believe there is a responsibility to make sure they're informed. did they handle this correctly? >> no. somebody dropped the ball. you never blind side the president. when a senior official in his administration under investigation when e-mails are being read, you inform the white house at a very high level. national security adviser. his council. even the president himself. you always do that. it's a standing protocol inside the federal government. never blindside the president. as far as i've se
bob barrows also joins us and bob, let me ask you about this fbi investigation. it began in the early summer. the president was only informed after the election. his director of national intelligence informed at 5:00 on election day. congressional leaders were informed even after the resignation. defense secretary leon panetta was asked today whether capitol hill should have been notified sooner and said, i want to quote, that's another issue we ought to look at because as former director of...
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in the early summer, the fbi began an investigation. the late summer, high level official at the fbi and justice department were notified. that investigators uncovered what appeared to be an affair between petraeus and broadwell. now, according to the "wall street journal," eric holder is among those who were informed. now, october 21st through november 3rd, that's the first time fbi agents interviewed both broadwell and petraeus. then on october 31st -- notified cantor's office. he passed on the concerns to robert mueller. now, on november 2nd, the fbi said there's tho evidence petraeus committed a crime and they rule out charges, then it is election day when james clapper is first informed of the investigation. at 5:00 eastern standard time. he called petraeus and advised him to resign. it wasn't until after the election the president was notified and on november 9th, friday, he accepted the resignation. house and senate bell where she knows leaders are then informed. bob barrows also joins us and bob, let me ask you about this fbi in
in the early summer, the fbi began an investigation. the late summer, high level official at the fbi and justice department were notified. that investigators uncovered what appeared to be an affair between petraeus and broadwell. now, according to the "wall street journal," eric holder is among those who were informed. now, october 21st through november 3rd, that's the first time fbi agents interviewed both broadwell and petraeus. then on october 31st -- notified cantor's office. he...
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but that's what we learned about the fbi's piece in this. >> is it our understanding that the fbi investigation into that side of it is the reason this had to happen today. and with some urgency, that it was going to become widely known, if not publicly known? >> we haven't been able to confirm that direct link. we've spoken to law enforcement officials who have made a roundabout link into this, but no one has said that the reason he's stepping down is because there was an fbi investigation into this woman as he's announcing his extramarital affairs. the timing piece of it while this fbi investigation may have been a factor, we haven't been told it was the factor that led him to make this announcement today. >> with absent the fbi investigation, had that not happened, the fact of the affair, would that be dangerous enough to somebody in the job as being head of the cia that that itself would cause -- would force a resignation just because of the threat of black mail or anything else that might promise it? >> we did speak to law enforcement officials. they said that blackmail is a concern whenev
but that's what we learned about the fbi's piece in this. >> is it our understanding that the fbi investigation into that side of it is the reason this had to happen today. and with some urgency, that it was going to become widely known, if not publicly known? >> we haven't been able to confirm that direct link. we've spoken to law enforcement officials who have made a roundabout link into this, but no one has said that the reason he's stepping down is because there was an fbi...